krismalone:
Best answer so far, thanks. Clear, detailed and reaffirming of what I already thought without misjudging my intent.
neat blue dog
JoinedPosts by neat blue dog
-
17
1917 - What REALLY happened?
by neat blue dog inregarding what happened post russell in 1917, if you ask a jw, they'll say it was the fault of the ousted board members who were 'self willed'.
if you ask an ex-jw, they'll say it was a 'power grab' by rutherford.
the latest yearbook elaborates on the situation:.
-
-
-
17
1917 - What REALLY happened?
by neat blue dog inregarding what happened post russell in 1917, if you ask a jw, they'll say it was the fault of the ousted board members who were 'self willed'.
if you ask an ex-jw, they'll say it was a 'power grab' by rutherford.
the latest yearbook elaborates on the situation:.
-
-
neat blue dog
Regarding what happened post Russell in 1917, if you ask a JW, they'll say it was the fault of the ousted board members who were 'self willed'. If you ask an ex-JW, they'll say it was a 'power grab' by Rutherford. The latest yearbook elaborates on the situation:
"Shortly before Brother Russell died, he had arranged to
send Johnson to England as one of the organization’s traveling representatives. . . . Sadly, the adulation he received began to warp his judgment, and he became convinced that he should be Broth-
er Russell’s successor.
Without authority, Johnson dismissed some Bethel family members in England who opposed him. He also tried to
seize control of the organization’s bank account in London,
at which point Brother Rutherford recalled him to the United States.
Johnson returned to Brooklyn, but instead of humbly accepting the correction he had been given, he repeatedly
tried to persuade Brother Rutherford to let him return to
England to continue his work there. Failing in this endeavor, Johnson tried to influence the board of directors, four of
whom sided with him. Anticipating that these men would try to seize the organization’s funds in the United States, as Johnson had attempted to do in England, Brother Rutherford acted to remove them from the board of directors. The law required
that each member of the board of directors be elected annually by members of the corporation. However, at the annual meeting of the corporation on January 6, 1917, only
three members of the board, Joseph F. Rutherford, Andrew
N. Pierson, and William E. Van Amburgh, were elected.
They filled the positions of president, vice president, and
secretary-treasurer, respectively. No election was held for
the remaining four positions on the board of directors. The
men who had held those positions, the four opposers, had
been elected to the board in the past, and it was understood by some that they would hold those positions for life.
However, because they had not been reelected at the annual meeting, they were actually not legal members of the
board at all! So in July 1917, Brother Rutherford exercised
his right to appoint four faithful men to fill the vacant board
positions."Also, one thing I've heard over and over through anti-JW sources is that the Bible Students lost most of their membership to splinter groups. However, the yearbook goes on to say:
"While some Bible Students sided with them
and formed other organizations, the vast majority of the Bible Students stayed faithful"
"the results of a referendum of the congregations,
which were published in The Watch Tower, showed that the
vast majority of the brothers supported Brother Rutherford
and the faithful men at Bethel"I know there's two sides to every story and I'd like to read more if anybody has info or links. Thanks.
-
5
"50 Years a Watchtower Slave" Chapter 9
by new boy inchapter 9.
“let’s us move to were the need is greater”.
i remember a “kingdom ministry” heading saying “only x number of months left.” left to what?
-
-
neat blue dog
I believe you're referring to the KM that told an experience of those who planned to pioneer and sell their house 'the remaining months', in this system, but no number given.
-
29
Will Governing Body stop preaching work?
by neat blue dog inat this year's annual meeting (2016), david "mark" sanderson asks the audience the question, "are you determined to keep on preaching with us until we say the work is completed?
" to which they respond with applause.
do you think that stopping the preaching work will ever be a part of the gb's long range plan?
-
-
neat blue dog
Sorry I can't provide the exact minutes and second location, but he did say "we", that's what caught my attention. I've heard 'until Jehovah says it's done' a million times, including one of the old songs.
-
29
Will Governing Body stop preaching work?
by neat blue dog inat this year's annual meeting (2016), david "mark" sanderson asks the audience the question, "are you determined to keep on preaching with us until we say the work is completed?
" to which they respond with applause.
do you think that stopping the preaching work will ever be a part of the gb's long range plan?
-
-
neat blue dog
At this year's Annual Meeting (2016), David "Mark" Sanderson asks the audience the question, "Are you determined to keep on preaching with us until we say the work is completed?" to which they respond with applause. Do you think that stopping the preaching work will ever be a part of the GB's long range plan? Or do you think this is just carrot-on-a-stick speak?
-
24
Elder/MS requirement for marriage talk? (Wedding not in KH)
by respectful_observer inokay team,.
some family friends who are engaged are getting some flack around the particulars of their wedding ceremony (surprise!
"strain out the gnat, gulp down the camel", and all that).
-
-
neat blue dog
More specifically, what I meant to say is that the non-witnesses were in the wedding party walking down the aisle st this kingdom hall wedding I attended.
-
24
Elder/MS requirement for marriage talk? (Wedding not in KH)
by respectful_observer inokay team,.
some family friends who are engaged are getting some flack around the particulars of their wedding ceremony (surprise!
"strain out the gnat, gulp down the camel", and all that).
-
-
neat blue dog
I went to a wedding not too long ago IN a kingdom hall with multiple 'worldly' relatives. An elder gave the talk.
-
54
Survey: Are you Agnostic or Atheist or Christian?
by Iamallcool ini am agnostic.
i will count how many agnostics, atheists and christians that are reading this forum regularly.
please answer my question.
-
-
neat blue dog
Christian
-
49
Do you believe that Jehovah is using the Organization today?
by Iamallcool inany elder has never asked me that question so far but i want to be prepared to answer that question if any of them ask me that question in the future.
i hope that they will never ask me that question.
any suggestions on how to answer that question would be very much appreciated.
-
-
neat blue dog
You could always ask them a question to which they can only give an answer that makes the org look bad, and then when they say 'I don't know', say 'neither am I telling you'. (Like Jesus did with the pharisees.) It's risky though. If you definitely can't get kicked out at this point in time, I'd just be cautious as a serpent yet innocent as a dove and say what they need to hear.
-
15
A Brother refusing to pray?
by HereIgo ini remember there was a brother in my congregation while i was in who would comment at all meetings but if asked to pray at a meeting or meeting for service he would always politely refuse.
i always found it odd, i assumed as a young bro, that a bro was kind of obligated to pray if asked.
knowing what i know now, it could have been a guilty conscience or maybe he just wanted to be lowkey.
-
-
neat blue dog
Possible reasons:
1: Guilty Conscience (like you said)
2: Shy (kind of like you said)
3: Classified as a 'Sexual Predator' by the body of elders (such ones usually aren't allowed privileges beyond preaching per instructions from headquarters)
4: He Knows TTATT